S2 Underground Live Interview with Gutter Fighting Secrets!
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we've got probably two or three decades worth of federal intel stuff and then state intel stuff and uh you know contracting and things like that so we're using our skills you know in the best way that we can to you know give back to people in the best way that we can and which which in this case is you know educationally and uh well really lately has been providing platforms for people who have been kind of d platform so yeah and you guys have been d platform pretty hard um we were talking kind of laughing together actually right before the program started this is coming on the um january 11th 2021 yep 2021 already man can you believe it's 2021 yeah it does not seem like it already no it doesn't but anyway it's 2021 january 11th yesterday uh parlor was d platform just completely by amazon yep you guys had a huge following on instagram and then until they decided just to delete your account with no explanation given yep yeah we're on our fourth instagram account i think so yeah okay it's fourth instagram and um that's something i gotta talk to you a little more about actually because i guarantee you they're going to cut me off any day here now um i'm already being shadow banned right now and this comes after you know like them wanting to delete my threatening to delete my for like you know two three strikes now and then cutting me off from live video all of it so yeah what are we what are we really looking at here jay i mean it's not just guys like you and me either no it's it's really we're starting to see really the power of people are really saying big tech but it's really just the math and the algorithms behind it we're starting to see a lot of people that are we're starting to see not necessarily people being silenced because they are either of a certain political ideology but because they either have a voice or they point something out or they engage in a certain way that flags a certain algorithm so then they get banned that's why you're starting that's why you're seeing or rather not seeing a lot of very prominent conservative conservative like leadership and politicians get the boot but other everyday people log in and say hey my facebook account got banned for something that i never did so it's kind of a strange thing to explain i don't think anybody's really got a good explanation for exactly how it works definitely a problem it's a huge problem and i was online last night and tonight trying to figure out hey how do you get off a shadow band like how do you do but it's all it's a lot of it at least it's algorithms it's not like there's some nerd sitting behind the screen saying your band it's yeah all the machine right yeah it's abs absolutely in very few cases are we seeing deliberate people being targeted and if you know that's happening it's it's going to be like high profile targets right it's not going to be people like you know you and me who have no real reason to be banned it's going to be like higher ranking people um but yeah it's definitely something we're gonna see a lot more of especially considering the you know the web of things how everything is interconnected how people have they're gonna have like a google account or something and they get their banking information through that well now google knows about where they bank and they can subpoena that information or they can you know leverage banks we've seen that before we're probably going to see it again just to you know we could go down that rub a hole all day different things that can be done didn't they recently actually it used to be like if you take out 999 what is it 9099 or something like you you don't set off the flags but didn't they just recently lower it to like an insane amount so i'm not entirely sure exactly about that but suffice it to say uh there there are of course limits right this has been a thing since electronic banking was a thing and this is from not necessarily from big tech but from the government side of things people like at homeland and your big three letter agencies they want to make sure that people aren't moving money around and laundering it in certain ways and for a long time people were under the impression that hey there's this magic ten thousand dollar limit for hey if i spend or move around or commit a some kind of electronic bank transfer for less than that i'm not going to get caught well it's not necessarily like that these these agencies have gotten really really good at tracking the bad guys the legit bad guys and if legit bad guys can figure this out then you know normal americans don't really have a chance at avoiding it so you know we saw it with i think what was a bank of american citibank trying to tell people that they can't buy firearms with their credit card wow and that was like two years ago i'm not even really sure how that turned out but i would expect stuff like that to come back and impact you know mainstream america like us yeah that's crazy i'm waiting for the day where we see what are they called wallas or walla wallas here in uh the states with the middleman moving money around and everything yeah yeah hawala networks yeah just some dude carrying a bag of cash um i mean it works for the bad guys and unfortunately i think a lot of american you know average citizens are going to have to resort to that too shed says status actual says get some junk silver that's actually not a bad idea yeah but you know it's not like we're i mean we're just shooting the here we're not trying to you know move money or anything like that but it's just fascinating talking about the algorithms you know how you can set it off and not even freaking mean to and you're not even doing anything to begin with but for whatever reason it can mess with your life yeah it absolutely can um i think that a lot of people or at least what we've been seeing for a while now we ourselves were have been very wary of how our governmental systems can contract and do these things you know the whole ever since the snowden thing every american citizen has been concerned with what their government can and cannot see well one of the interesting paradoxes we're starting to discover now is that if a company were to come to you and say hey we're going to give you a free email service but we're going to take from you every piece of data we could possibly get everything every transaction you've ever made every photo you take every single part of your life we say hey that's great but if the government tries to do it or some kind of agency tries to do it it's if people bulk at it but they people freely give their stuff away over to really big companies without actually knowing it yeah so and it's a big problem uh big tech is becoming a big problem and i hope i don't get banned it happens very quickly too um i think we've seen just how fast big tech has moved even just with the example of um i can't remember who it was i think it was either twitter or uh apple or some some actually i think it was a google play store where they said hey we're gonna give you 24 hours parlor to fix your stuff and ban either certain content or basically just agree to that you're going to police your content on your platform and then they came back four hours later and said oh jk you only have like an hour left and then they just said screw it we're just to ban you anyway so it's uh dude it's it's been insane to be alive during these times i mean i don't know how old you are but my generation has seen um the birth of the internet the birth of a cell phone like all this technology 911 freaking iraq war like this now i'm sure you know national global pandemic it's crazy to see how things have just accelerated to such degree yeah it really is i i think as of 2020 and really this year so far i think a lot of people are going to have to change their priorities people who weren't forced to think about these things like we have been yeah they're going to start to have to be at least you think about this stuff so it's an interesting uh interesting challenge for moving forward that's for sure well you bring up a good point there man is that guys like you and i kind of you could say force but you know we we are forced to think about this stuff just due to you know the nature of who we are and what we do most people don't and they never have thought about this stuff you know and it's it really is forcing them to put it all in their face and deal with it and i don't think a lot of civilians out there honestly have the capacity to be able to do that yeah it's um it's definitely a challenge it really is we have had our own little you know micro challenges along the way and it's it's really been surprising the the sort of conspiratorial strength uh you know hold that a lot of you know technology has over people's lives um you know 10 years ago if you said the stuff that we're saying now if you said that 10 years ago you'd be crazy but now it seems like you know we have to really plan for things that sort of sounds crazy now right we're looking years years out from now and the stuff that we're saying we have to be concerned with you know the internet not existing because cloudflare and amazon web services say that it doesn't want to happen that kind of stuff we have to be concerned with now or at least start thinking about it absolutely and you know you saw guys like alex jones 10 years ago talking about this stuff and yeah it was entertaining you thought okay like maybe there's some shredded truth in there but the guy's clearly like conspiracy nut right and then yeah yeah you go like flashback a year ago right today even two years ago you got like sean hannity talking about this stuff on mainstream and news you got like everyone kind of on the same page like this is where we are yeah maybe it used to sound like a conspiracy but it's not like this is legit let's talk about it now it's crazy man yeah it's very it's very interesting to look back and see you know and of course then you know once we start looking into that stuff we run into the trap of trying to find well this guy said this thing was going to happen and he said at the same time this other thing was going to happen so does that other thing going to happen now well you know it's kind of hard to say but yeah it's it's definitely true that we have uh we've not heeded a lot of warnings for a long time with you know the the power of things and the power of certain people in the world so you know things look a lot less conspiratorial nowadays even though right now you know conspiracy theorists are having a field day with everything that's going on in the world yeah it's uh it's kind of a hard time to find good information now so it really is and and that's exactly why i wanted to have you guys on tonight or have you on as kind of the head boss over there is look you guys are putting out great material great content and it's all relevant and it's all truthful it's not most of what you guys put out is not hearsay and it's not um shall i say we think this it's it's the way that you put your news out there i can tell an analyst put it out there yeah and and that's not something that's easy to do and you know at the at the risk of sort of patting ourselves on the back too much we do have to realize that there's a trade-off we the reason that we don't really have a scheduled you know podcast that comes out at a specific date and time we don't have a 24-hour news cycle it's because the 24-hour news cycle if you're wanting to get just the information that's some that's a modern construct that's something that's manufactured some days nothing happens in the world and you just kind of got to live with it but sometimes you have to watch an event happen you have to think about it you have to realize what's going on you have to research things and by the time that people want to hear your opinion about things or by the time people want to by the time that opinion actually gets out there that analysis gets out there it's already gone it's been three days and nobody cares anymore so um we we do have a good trade-off of hey the stuff we put out is is going to be from an analytical perspective but it's not going to be instant we're not going to be replying to tweets 12 minutes after they happen it's it's going to take some time um and you know that's why uh that's why we're not so much a current events news station as we are an analytical one so no absolutely and if you guys want the current events look just check out my stories i'm pretty current with myself oh yeah absolutely yeah you've been putting out a lot a lot of good stuff lately so yeah but if you want to deep dive on what's going on behind the scenes check out s2 because they're very good at what they do i want to get to a couple of the comments real quick so i don't leave anyone out um yeah sure flesh was saying he got uh shadow band after making fun of china i thought that that's pretty funny okay um sounds about right yep yeah it does it really does uh let's see so do y'all think we will see government control the withdrawal of money from the bank is near in the near future so i guess what he's asking is if if they're gonna try to do something like uh you know no man could buy or sell save less he had the mark right right yeah so um i don't know i would say it's probably going to take a lot longer than if a bank wanted to do it if a bank wants to do something they could do it pretty quickly whereas the federal government as much as you know a lot of people are kind of scared at them especially moving into 2021 they're still pretty bad at a lot of things and there's a lot of people a lot of powerful people that have to fight each other to get anything done so i would say possibly i mean we've already seen it happen when it comes to things like certain purchases it might happen one day you know very soon where you all of your purchases are being flagged right so if you buy something at a sort of non-approved place from that the bank doesn't want to you spend spending money on that could be an issue and they could you know do something to you but once again there there's there's um it's not like they're going to be able to do that and not get away with it the way our current laws are uh courts going to see that at least you know for now so if it were to happen i would say yeah it's going to take a while they can do that now right they just have to get kind of a physical thing going or something right yeah if it's a national security type thing um yes but then again you know your federal agencies are are um already strapped as is so you know i would not be surprised if we saw legislation within this year to increase that sort of behavior and create an infrastructure to do it with a with a snap of a finger or push of a button but who knows yeah huh that's interesting i i i have a hard time believing some people out there aren't already on that list and getting looked at whatever they buy anyway but yeah it's it's a very interesting thing this this notion of government watch lists and what that actually means well you know there's no one big list with everybody's name on it who's kind of been sort of enemy of the state for lack of a better term there's a there's a bunch of different things that kind of go into it so and it's it varies by agency too so can you talk about that at all or well i mean i you know it's really not my field of expertise and mostly domestic stuff but um i can say that say you're trying to buy a plane ticket and with you know cash money to a certain place well you know if it's a place like north korea you know somebody's obviously going to be watching that um if you're trying to especially if you're trying to transfer money you know the electronic bank transfer system is is a huge part of that so you know one person taking a weekend trip to dubai nobody cares about but if you're trying to you know make contact with like a north korean regime or something like that in order to set up a tourist visa to their country yeah you're going to get looked at and it's going to be probably by agencies we've never even heard of so i'm glad they're out there though man because frankly like you know you can give the government grow up all you want but they're protecting our ass when it comes down to it you know yeah it's such a it's such a difficult topic that we ourselves have had to kind of look at is that there's a lot of anti-government sentiment out there which is perfectly legit like i get it and then there's also the people that you know blindly trust a lot of these agencies and it's we try to walk that line between the two saying look there's good stuff out there and there's bad stuff out there we're gonna shine light on the bad stuff and make sure it doesn't happen and you know the good stuff that's happening out there we're gonna continue to try to do that's you know what we do um but i can tell you you know the the bad stuff sometimes that weighs the good stuff in a lot of cases so sometimes it's really hard to put stuff to do some good stuff too i think right yeah and well you know that that goes down a whole rabbit hole in and of itself too i mean it's um from you know military side and civilian side and you know three letter agencies it's uh a lot of good stuff happens and a lot of bad stuff happens um hopefully at the end of the day the good stuff can outweigh the bad stuff but you know as you can even see that's kind of a flawed line of thinking right so the fact that bad stuff happens at all is is not good but you know it's it's sort of the way it is and there's not a whole lot we can do to change it but when i think that i think you're right about that is it's just the way it is and it's probably not going to change yeah if nothing else it's not going to change within a time frame that would be acceptable so you know stuff like when snowden leaked what he did um you know the world and really most citizens were kind of you know outraged that this was going on this entire time so you know what he did did force to do a lot of a lot of good stuff unfortunately our adversaries look at what he did and say oh this is handy for us to know now so let's go look at it and figure out how we can exploit it you know at this at the end of the day so there's there's two sides to every coin and there's uh two edges to every sword really i'm really surprised trump didn't uh pardon snowden i would you know it would have made sense to get support but at the end of the day it kind of makes sense considering the people that are whispering in his ear from a national security perspective you know at the very top end of the food chain um it's it kind of makes sense that those people don't like what he did and the money that was cost and the sort of black eye that the nsa and the intelligence community got from that it sort of makes sense that he didn't because you know why would he would have just gotten support from people he who already supported him so right but yeah it would have been it would have been nice to see especially considering you know courts have said that he didn't really do anything wrong so that doesn't matter he cost us money yeah exactly exactly so at the end of the day it's all politics and you know we have to kind of expect politicians to do political things so amen to that man it's it's it's what it is so jake struck says i had over 15 000 followers during the virginia rally i gave out all sorts of information about the protest and they banned him from instagram and deleted his facebook he still can't make a facebook yeah that makes sense i mean virginia is a very uh virginia is a very interesting place especially when it comes to anything that goes against the status quo i mean you know at this point in time i think america is figuring out that you know somebody saying hey i politely disagree with you well that's being labeled as extremism by a lot of people out there yeah and you know something is you know i politely disagree with you that's you know that's been extremist behavior for virginia for a while unfortunately well let's jump into this because this is really the core meat and potatoes of what we're talking about here we'll get guys questions uh for sure but i want to take the opportunity right now sure so you know you bring up their mislead miss labeling people um extreme right terrorists we saw the speech with sj and i'm just going to refer to sleepy as sj i don't want to like so yeah we saw you know sj put out um a few very divisive speeches and in one of them he was saying uh all of this stuff about that you know this is about race and this is about if you know these white people wouldn't have been treated and then he's was saying all this stuff about um these people are domestic terrorists and that's not a like a term you can throw around very lightly so worried me when i heard that yeah very very serious stuff so it's it's fascinating from an intel perspective because these are tactics that people like us and you know people in government and in analytical agencies have been using for a very long time so this is where that sort of you know kernel of truth comes out when somebody like alex jones comes out and says it's all the psyop right well there's a little bit of truth to that these are certain tactics you know we all know how gaslighting works you know you do things to a person you make them question their own sanity by saying you know by either um [Music] convincing them that what they're doing they're not doing or by conv or by convincing them that they are doing behavior that you yourself are guilty of so it's it's a very interesting uh very interesting tactic that not just um not just you know politicians on the left are using but politicians on the right are using as well but right now we're kind of really seeing it come from the left unfortunately it's really missing its target a lot of times because you know we're starting to see a lot of extremist groups on the left on the political left of the spectrum we're starting to see them of course fight extremism on the right but the problem is is that when you go so far to the edge of the political spectrum you have a hard time identifying who's really the enemy so when when agencies on the left or when entities on the left try to target conservative or extreme right behavior they end up just hitting middle america they hit centers or people who you know like we said earlier in our key base server you know you end up hitting gary neck from next door instead of the actual like white supremacist or racist down the street like it's very interesting the way that it ends up shaking out because the power of information is is truly something yeah and you know speaking about the far right like neo-nazis skinheads or whatever like yeah you know i grew up in new york man when i was like a kid a kid you would like see that type of like punk skinhead thing around i don't see that stuff anymore man i mean look i get it out there like but i don't know how like to what degree it really is out there like maybe some people would like you to think yeah that's a that's a good point and we have done a considerable amount of own like internal research trying to figure out that exact thing because when you call somebody you know a fascist or a nazi or or white supremacist or whatever there's really no coming back from that so the the trick is is that really behavior that's happening or is it not and one of the things we found out is that you know this kind of an obvious statement is look white supremacy and racism and the extreme the the extremists on the right they've been around for kind of a long time yeah a long time and they've gotten really really good at hiding their behavior or if not just hiding it changing it in such a way that it becomes more palatable that's why you legitimately see at a lot of you know conservative rallies actual like white supremacists pretending to be people who favor liberty or something like that that's of course not not everybody it's not even the majority it's not even it's just a tiny little bit but it is interesting how that happens whereas extremists on the left you're going to know who they are because they tell you yeah um so conservative and or you know extremists on the far far right they're not going to tell you they're an extremist until you you know you develop some kind of rapport because they have been sort of hunted by you know federal law enforcement agencies for a long time you know ask any politician ask anybody on the national security council they're going to tell you that the number one threat to america is homegrown conservative or alt-right extremism they're not going to tell you what something like 9 11 happening again so that's really the biggest threat that we actually are facing is domestic homegrown whether it's on the left or the right but domestic homegrown stuff i i think it's kind of hard to say what our biggest threat is because the united states historically is pretty bad at this we're very we're pretty bad at seeing a major threat out there and acting on it early enough to know that it actually was a major threat like the indicators that were out there for 911 were around for years before i mean the building was bombed in 93 so we can go you know using that as an example but it's hard to say if that is the biggest one but absolutely we were 100 convinced that uh homegrown extremism from any political spectrum is definitely a major threat in today's society so when we uh see the news coverage of what happened out there in um you know in virginia unfortunately we see them trying to paint everyone there as a neo-nazi right we see one guy with like a really crude racist shirt on and you know whatever they they try to paint everyone with the same brush right do you think that there were antipas in there do you think that it was only kind of who do you think that we can if any particular one group that could kind of get the blame for that so it's kind of that's kind of an interesting thought because one thing that that really a lot of people on both sides have been looking out for is the concept of a false flag attack which is something that is not really well known um well it really wasn't well known like five years ago it's now sort of a mainstream thing you've got somebody who said who like you said say there's some guy wearing a really racist shirt at a conservative rally and they say ah the conservatives will say ah that guy was a false flag he was really like antifa or something the other way around is the same you'll see somebody wearing an antifa shirt and breaking a window in portland and the antifa will say no no that guy was a false flag attack and that's when we get into we start getting into a rut of well we don't actually know we can't actually figure this out unless we grab that guy find out who he is and investigate further which nobody's gonna do um we can't possibly know was this guy really who he says he is or was he not so it's very interesting to see because after every single event especially things like the capital or um the storming of the uh capital in michigan or any other capital situation or even anti for rioting in you know portland or in new york up there where you're at um it's it's a uh it's a hard thing to figure out what is actually happening because you've got videos and evidence from both sides saturating the market and then you add in the false info on top of that and it's just a a great big you know recipe for misinformation out there so i would i would not doubt that there are people in every major event that happens there are going to be people that show up that say they are something and they are something else entirely like that we've seen from as far as the capital is concerned because that's everybody what everybody's talking about now we have a pretty good amount of evidence that does suggest that there were extremists on the left i think mostly antifa who did masquerade or at least they plan to masquerade as conservatives with the intention of doing harm so you know whether or not that gets investigated who knows but we do have a little bit of evidence there so and it does make sense from a you know sort of tactical perspective yeah it does uh poq wants to know have you seen the 2a common sense legislation that's coming through um i heard a little bit about this but not not much i haven't i have seen that there have been a lot of gun control ask legislation come out over the past couple weeks but i haven't seen anything specific i wouldn't have really delved into that step on that because that would be uh that wouldn't be necessarily the smartest thing to do right now you know yeah it's we're starting to see a lot of people rather than trying to convince people of their ideology just kind of force it down their throat so you know some people just um the hypocrisy with a lot of politicians and political leadership and things like that is kind of gets in the way of what they're actually trying to do they would be best served to not gloat about things you know if they were trying to get something done so yeah it i have a whole lot of reservations about you know the next four years or so but yeah yeah um so trying to catch up with these questions here we're getting a lot of them so they yeah uh let's see and if you see one jay that stands out to you just let me know i'm trying to get to everybody but there's a lot of chatter back and forth too so if i missed something uh feel free guys just to sound off again yeah i'm still watching um yeah so i guess really the the kind of the consensus here from what i'm seeing in the chat is that um you know people are really confused people don't really know what to make of what's going on here it's frightening um it should be frightening and i think a lot of people just really want answers as to hey is it gonna be okay so yeah we can't answer that but in your educated opinion i mean what do we see coming down the pike here so that's something that we have we've kind of been tossing around in the shop here trying to figure out how do we convey this because one of the things that we have from the very second we had an instagram account until today we've run into the issue of how do we accurately convey a threat or an assessment or something without either seeming like you're under selling it or you're overselling it so what we think is it you know who's going to happen is we're going to go through some tough times i think that's kind of obvious um as far as specific events that are going to happen i would you know we've had hours and hours of podcasts talking about you know we're we're going to see gun control be a huge thing we're going to see um a lot of federal state and local law enforcement stuff change um from what it is to something else either it be through social action um or through governmental action um we're gonna see a lot of different stuff it's kind of hard to sort of sort of define but you know we can say you know one of the things we get asked a lot is you know i have no idea what's going on i i don't understand any of this so you're kind of an expert tell me when to panic and we absolutely are saying it is not time to panic at all it's time to be concerned i think 2020 and so far this year has shown us that yeah it's time to be concerned about certain things um but considering of how many people out there in america are willing to do the right thing or at least be educated enough to do the right thing you know well we're not uh we're not all uh you know the time is not right you know where the end is not we're not uh we're not so pessimistic is all that but um yeah we do think that a lot of things are going to happen in 2021 and they're probably going to upset a lot of different people yeah so i'm with you 100 on that i definitely don't think it's time to panic um but it is time to raise an eyebrow so yeah absolutely yep okay we got uh shades or shade is actual on here again he says what policies do you think are going to be implemented in the next year and will all states follow those policies i would say there are most certainly going to be a lot of things passed i would say probably go to the presidential uh you know the platforms of hey this is what we're going to pass the first hundred day plan i would say that's probably going to be pretty close um i would say that stuff like that if not that exact stuff like you know mass gun control mass uh agencies kind of going off the wire and doing their own sort of thing that's going to be a thing you know throughout the year not just the first hundred days um i would however say that some of that stuff is probably just by the nature of being politics is not going to happen because it's either too costly or too too difficult to do or some political pork was traded another way so i would say that generally speaking pretty much everything that was campaigned on is probably going to happen within this year if it's not companies are going to influence things and make it so anyway so that's probably what's going to happen yeah yeah i think you're gonna you're gonna see a lot of ars kind of fall into lakes um yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah i think that the the gun control thing is probably gonna be very i think 2020 especially the end of 2020 showed us that when it comes to things like gun control really the people that were out there screaming the loudest who are saying that this is the worst possible thing that's going to happen even they were kind of underselling it um when it comes to that sort of thing um because as we know the whole ar pistol thing they uh you know found out that hey we're not just going after braces but the whole pistol itself so it's like well that's not good um yeah you had it was funny around here you know it's such a liberal place um you had people trying to buy guns and just come to realize like they've either been arrested or like they have they're not i'm not eligible what the hell are you talking about like they had no concept of how hard it really is to get one yeah it's it's not easy to do and depending on where you live it's it's you know damn near impossible sometimes so yeah exactly and the uh the old trick of uh the old argument of going down to home depot and making one yourself that's that's not exactly a realistic thing either so yeah unless you have like two three four years of experience doing it good luck man and an entire machine shop yeah um jamie says can you talk a little bit more about key base and uh so so key base is kind of where we ended up um key base is a it is a decentralized platform as far as we know there aren't any servers out there it's basically like discord but it's a little bit less user friendly but once you get on it and you start using it for different things it's uh it's something it's one of those platforms that's virtually impossible to get rid of um it's very hard to get rid of it we had a discord server where we had i think 1400 or so people in it and discord just decided hey we we don't want you around anymore so they deleted everything but they didn't just delete us everybody who had a discord account they also deleted their account for um terrorism i think it was um so yeah that can't happen with key base once you set it up you get in you're good to go um but yeah even key base isn't perfect so we have a very intense communications plan and all different kinds of platforms you can spring to but i would i would assume that based on the deep platforming we're seeing right now there are going to be some very good and interesting things come out of the tech world over the next say month or so yeah and i thought it was interesting that um you know dt was talking about you know donald was talking about um possibly doing his own thing or maybe even having somebody acquire um what is it facebook or whatever like no twitter i mean that yeah that'd be kind of interesting um i i don't know how that would work out for him but you know one of the things that kind of kept people like us and a lot of people off of places like parlor before they got shut down the sort of thing that kind of made people not go on it was how it seemed to be like a basically conservative sounding meaning if you were not conservative you weren't really welcome there well i think that as we've seen when parlor got i don't know tens of millions of accounts created that sort of even the playing field and now you have a it's not so much a sounding room anymore well before it was deleted but it's more of a more of a normal type play so i think that's what's going to happen is we're going to see a lot of platforms get created for the sole purpose of being a political sound agreement for whatever ideology but we're also going to start seeing people have to go somewhere social media is part of people's lives and if you you know get rid of half of everybody on twitter well those people that's what 80 million people or something like that they're gonna have to go somewhere so no doubt and i think you're absolutely right about that where it's going to be interesting to see what starts to shake out and i think that these companies are going to start to see a lot of you know blowback so to speak about what they're doing and how hard they're censoring and if you really think about it you know um i don't want to say guys like you and me because that makes us like sound like whatever but guys like 40 of the united states are like like-minded you know what i'm saying so yeah exactly yeah yeah it's it's um it's definitely going to be interesting to see what kind of comes out of the the tech world on this one that's for sure because we're starting to see a lot of peer-to-peer decentralized blockchain based stuff it's it's very interesting um people starting to be motivated enough to create things that can't ever be shut down even if the internet disappears they'll still be active so it's very fascinating to follow that stuff yeah that's some fascinating stuff right there as far as all that goes um so what else do you see i mean you guys number one i wanted to say for any of you out there who haven't already gone and checked out the s2 underground podcast on youtube you're missing out um if you like this type of content if you like what we put out at gutter fighting secrets with the close protection tactics and all that you're going to geek out on what these guys are putting out because it's real official like tradecraft amazing stuff um number two if you don't follow s2 go ahead and follow them um here on insta s what is the su underground backup uh yeah s2 underground i think three or four or something like that if you just search for s2 underground you'll find us perfect um and so again on key gates are on key base as well yep on key base as well just search for s2 underground on key base and that'll be where we're at cool so those are the platforms um i'm sure there'll be more in the mix we're looking you know here at getting more in the mix as well what do you think is going to happen with polar you think i i think parlor's probably gonna struggle for a while but i think they or their founders will create something else if not called parlor it's gonna be called something else but they'll eventually find a way to to get back online i don't know if that data is going to be there still so i would i would assume that anybody who had a parlor account like we had one i would assume that data is probably gone or going to be gone by the time they get a replacement but i would assume they're probably not uh they're not totally gone they'll be back i'm sure somebody would be well man i want to uh wrap it up right now so let you get you know get to your family and everything but thank you so much for coming on i know we froze up for a second there on instagram are you still with me yeah absolutely okay cool making sure they didn't boot us all right so yeah man it's um dude it's been a distinct pleasure to uh to have you on jay and i really appreciate you coming on yeah i appreciate it man likewise it's been fun so we'll have to do this again sometime absolutely i'll be looking forward to it man guys yeah no absolutely dude so i want to encourage all of you again if you don't follow me go ahead click that follow button um i've got obviously um gutterfundingsecrets.com you can always follow me on that they can't kick me off that not yet um follow s2 on instagram key base youtube and once you get there he'll give you more platforms as they come along so for all of you guys uh sades pog freaking all you guys out there who were commenting and asking questions thank you so much for coming on and i'm gonna shut up and stop rambling now and just say good night guys and please remember that you were your first and last line of defense jay thanks again appreciate it man [Music] you