Radio Direction Finding: AKA How "They" Can Find You

hello again everyone and welcome back to the underground so today we're going to take a look at radio direction finding in other words how someone either a government or even a social group can track you or find you based on the signal that you emit from not just a radio but cell phones as well here is kind of a very brief simplistic rundown of how radio direction finding works turns out it's actually quite simple to understand so here on the map this red dot would symbolize the person that's trying to radio direction find a signal in their area so for one what they're going to do is turn on their equipment and they're going to be able to see and hear a signal along a specific line of bearing for instance they're gonna be able to hold up their redirect radio direction finding set and uh it'll tell them uh how you know what bearing that signal is coming coming in from right and the the way to direction find is to move so once you hear a certain transmission on this frequency along this bearing you're able to move to another position and listen to it from another angle and then there you are you're able to intersect and sort of figure out where that target is now this is the explanat d listen to it from another angle and then there you are you're able to intersect and sort of figure out where that target is now this is the explanation that we see a lot of people uh talk about and and and use as an example and it's it's good for a general understanding but it's not quite accurate what's a more accurate understanding is that it's the system itself suffers from accuracy and distance meaning the further you are away from a signal the harder it is to direction fine so for instance that straight line that we we demonstrated within the first time is actually more like a cone it's more like a it's illustrated here because we're looking top down on the map but it's really a cone of interception and you're going to be able to get a you know a bearing from some of these radio direction finding sets and you'll but you'll get a plus or minus deviation from that so you'll probably be able to get a bearing of you know 0 to 0 plus or minus 10 degrees either side of that bearing so that's a pretty big uh wide area and as you can see if you do the same exact thing you move to another area and try to intersect you can narrow it down pretty good but if you're still a pretty good d ee if you do the same exact thing you move to another area and try to intersect you can narrow it down pretty good but if you're still a pretty good distance away you can see that the target doesn't just fall along one specific line but it could fall anywhere in this generalized area because you're not able to narrow it down now of course if you start taking more and more readings from different angles from different times and start moving closer to your target you'll be able to pinpoint it down to within you know centimeter you know accuracy but for the most part this is how most radio direction finding sets work in theory so let's go ahead and jump over to google earth and sort of visualize this in a three-dimensional space because i think that it's a little bit easier to understand how this works when we're talking about the one type of asset that we're all sort of thinking about which is uh um surveillance drones or surveillance aircraft so let's jump over to google earth right quick all right so here we are in google earth and this is sort of a mock-up scenario over the city of roanoke virginia so this red circle just say you're aware of the size reference this is a 10 kilomet is is sort of a mock-up scenario over the city of roanoke virginia so this red circle just say you're aware of the size reference this is a 10 kilometer circle has a diameter of uh 10 kilometers and it also is uh set up in the air about 10 000 feet above the city so you can see this would be a pretty common orbit path um a 10k orbit and um for something like a very large fixed wing type surveillance drone the stuff your police department's going to have probably not going to be this high but if it's a fixed-wing asset like the ones that are used in baltimore they're going to they're going to operate this high or perhaps a little bit lower the reason that we use 10 000 is because a lot of our military drones don't like to operate below 10 000 feet for various reasons but mostly fuel consumption and visibility so we're just using this as kind of an example so remember how i said that the uh the the pattern that's received is sort of like a cone well you know if you're standing on the earth and your person that you're trying to track is standing on the earth as well it's going to really be a triangle you know you're obviously not going to you're looking along a line but you are not go standing on the earth as well it's going to really be a triangle you know you're obviously not going to you're looking along a line but you are not going to be able to they're obviously not underground and they're obviously not above the surface of the ground if that makes sense so it really is a triangle when we when we talk about ground to ground interception however when it comes to aerial assets it is most certainly a cone so what i'm going to do here is turn on one of my layers which is the first ellipse so imagine that i am a uh surveillance drone or fixed-wing aircraft and i am orbiting uh the city with this red line looking for activity and what i'm going to do is hopefully i can sort of line this up right sorry google earth doesn't exactly allow polygons to the exact dimensions that i need them to be like they don't allow us to draw shapes we could just draw weird polygons so hopefully this shows this is definitely a circle from the from the viewpoint of the aircraft so if somebody were to fire up a ham radio or something that i'm listening i'm trying to listen for or or a cell phone although it works a little bit differently with cell phones so sticking with radio is kind t i'm listening i'm trying to listen for or or a cell phone although it works a little bit differently with cell phones so sticking with radio is kind of the best way to illustrate this if somebody is i'm trying to listen to somebody talking on the radio i'm going to be able to tell from my sensor that this is uh where they're coming from and if i go top down you'll see that this is very much an oval type pattern so that's where we get the term ellipse so basically that signal it's not like enemy of the state with gene hackman and will smith here you know we're not able to determine even the most the best military assets and and assets that your police department's going to have are not going to be able to pinpoint that stuff down to a a very precise uh distance we're only going to be able to get an ellipse about this size probably on a very short transmission now obviously if you've got a radio station and it's a consistently broadcasting i can narrow that i can take this circle here which is huge and narrow it down very very quickly but let's just say for illustrative purposes this was a three second transmission on this particular frequency that i'm listening for so i heard it o but let's just say for illustrative purposes this was a three second transmission on this particular frequency that i'm listening for so i heard it over here and you know just like i said this transmission could have been coming from anywhere inside this ellipse and so basically i need to keep flying around i need to keep flying around until i get to i think right about here is where it pops up and then boom i can hear another ellipse now sorry this one isn't quite lined up but hopefully it shows that this is sort of how it works and boom i heard them over here so now just like radio direction finding on the ground i can find out that my target is somewhere in here so the more laps i do the longer the transmissions the longer that one person or transmitter source stays in one place the easier it is for me an aerial asset or this also plastic ground assets the easier it is to radio locate and in this case in this particular example this is the transmitter site we chose this one because this is a weather radar site and not somebody's actual house so just so everybody knows but yeah that's kind of a good example as to how these sort of ellipses work now for our second dudes out there ctual house so just so everybody knows but yeah that's kind of a good example as to how these sort of ellipses work now for our second dudes out there that are probably listening or watching this um i know this is probably a a very very over simplification of the game but we also have to remember that you know we're talking about sigin which is something that is not typically talked about fortunately none of this stuff is classified so it's easier to talk about and and sort of explain especially considering that our police departments are now using the same collection tools and sensors that we have used in war zones and probably even better ones than what we were using so that's sort of how these ellipses work and that's sort of why we're we're we're explaining this the way we are so let's go ahead and jump back into the powerpoint and i'll explain some more in-depth information about these ellipses because it's a little easier to understand once i can get it on a map and show you so let me jump over there right quick all right so we're back here in the powerpoint and this is the the that um uh tv station slash radio station slash like commercial broadcasting site that we were talk re back here in the powerpoint and this is the the that um uh tv station slash radio station slash like commercial broadcasting site that we were talking about in google earth and this is you know sort of how the ellipse looks it's not going to be a perfect circle it's going to be a an oval now most of the time it's going to be a much thinner oval but as you can see here this is where these sort of things start to get a little bit tricky to locate so say i'm trying to find somebody and i get an ellipse here now obviously this ellipse means that this a person could be standing in the woods over here or over here or over here even all the way over here they can be anywhere in this this is where the transmission of the signal came from um now obviously common sense would tell me that there are three sort of areas that look like they're man-made we've got a two track road going to this building here or two track road going to this pad and another two track road going to this uh antenna site and i can actually see that there's an antenna shadow right there so that's probably our transmission source same thing with this one right here which is actually radar sight um but if i was trying hadow right there so that's probably our transmission source same thing with this one right here which is actually radar sight um but if i was trying to hunt down a person and i already had a general idea as to where they were at and i knew what frequency they were transmitting on and i knew what um i knew the general area i just narrowed it down to these three areas right so all i have to do is make another pass and then hopefully boom look at that i've just narrowed it down to these two the transmission is not coming from here now now that i'm a little closer i did another pass and i'm able to see that up we've narrowed it down to here and as you can see as you start adding in more ellipses now so this one comes from the other way now this one this one's a little bit harder to see right because this one covers both this area in this area so i know the transmission is coming from somewhere in this this uh this polygon so what i need is another pass boom to show me that the target is right there so that's exactly how basically all forms of second detection and and um sort of vhf radio direction finding work from uh military type assets as we and in addition to um police assets and ms of second detection and and um sort of vhf radio direction finding work from uh military type assets as we and in addition to um police assets and so we're not just you know sort of talking about how the military does things but we're also talking about this is how russia does things this is how china does things so if you're an analyst um that is not really uh that's trying to sort of broaden their their atmosphere hopefully this kind of explains it as to how these sort of sigint ellipses work and and and how we can use them uh for the military uh to to sort of track down insurgents and bad guys in like afghanistan or iraq but it also helps give civilians an idea as to how the police can target you so let's let's back up for a second and talk about one of the things that confuse a lot of the sensor packages out there on the market right now and that's multiple targets talking within the same target area so for instance this is the exact scenario here's the ellipse that we originally had now imagine instead of one person talking i can hear two people talking there's two handsets on the ground that are tight that are keying up talking to one another they're from very very close p can hear two people talking there's two handsets on the ground that are tight that are keying up talking to one another they're from very very close proximity and they fit within this bubble so i get another pass and i'm like well you know dang you know i this pat this next pass doesn't tell me anything that this first pass didn't already tell me i know they're in one of these three areas here you know and then i get another pass and several other passes and you know you can see how clustered up this gets like no analysts can look at this and tell me i know exactly where bad guy one and bad guy two are standing right you know looking at where we put our targets for this you see that there is one target there and one target there but you cannot tell that when you start getting uh the sensor starts detecting one handset or two handsets is one and that kind of throws things off especially if you're talking on the same frequency which is what you're going to be doing if you're communicating back and forth so what does that mean for the normal civilian well that means that if you're in a densely populated city and you and your buddy are within a couple of blocks of each other and you're rmal civilian well that means that if you're in a densely populated city and you and your buddy are within a couple of blocks of each other and you're talking back and forth on the radio guess what even the most significant and dedicated uh spy sort of detection apparatus you know whatever you want to call it uh no sensor package is going to be able to detect you not even the stuff the russians and the chinese militaries have not even the stuff the cia has and granted there are some other caveats we'll talk about in a second that can help identify you but remember this is kind of a way to confuse that sort of thing and the reason we're talking about this is because police departments are starting to use this a lot um not just for vhf traffic but also for cell phone traffic and they're trying they're targeting normal civilians as well indiscriminately so that's something to sort of keep in mind now here is a topic that we cannot talk very much about how it gets done because i'm not entirely certain if law enforcement uh can do this but the military can do this so i thought i'd mention it here and this is the concept of called convolving the ellipse and what that means is we're able the military can do this so i thought i'd mention it here and this is the concept of called convolving the ellipse and what that means is we're able to through a bunch of secret squirrel stuff we're able to determine that we were able to shrink this ellipse right and that's what you want you want to be more accurate so this ellipse right here this gives me nothing right this ellipse imagine this is in the middle of a target compound in the middle of nowhere and i'm trying to figure out is the bad guy here or is the bad guy here and you know i just have this one ellipse it covers both of them i cannot say unless i get another pass where the bad guy was speaking from this particular time but like i said through a bunch of secret squirrel technical means that we can't talk about here we can use some processes to determine that okay 100 of the radio traffic came from here but 80 of that signal came from within here and we can convolve it down even further to say ah 70 of the signal came from within here and that's how you were able to convolve the ellipse you may not be able to say all right look you know i know the signal came from these two houses but i can tell you that 70 of the s nvolve the ellipse you may not be able to say all right look you know i know the signal came from these two houses but i can tell you that 70 of the signal came from this side of the area and so this is very good for narrowing down and trying to determine between two compounds which is the bad guy one all right everyone and here are some tips for evading detection i know i'm moving kind of fast but i wanted to sort of you know again move through this quickly so the first and oldest trick in the book is terrain masking so this is an old military trick probably as old as military radio wireless technology has been around and this extremely grainy photo from some random military field manual shows that you can use vegetation mountains buildings anything that's really going to reflect the signal in order to direction prevent direction finding from occurring meaning you can shoot a signal down a valley as opposed from the valley ridge to the other valley ridge a place where this is very commonly used is in the mountains of afghanistan so for those of you that have seen this particular horrific piece of ground this is the kunar province of afghanistan's eastern regions so this is up by a or those of you that have seen this particular horrific piece of ground this is the kunar province of afghanistan's eastern regions so this is up by assad abad almost up to the to the pakistani border our insurgents routinely will shoot comms down this valley so they know that our aviation assets have to fly through these valleys they can't easily pop up over these mountains right unless it's a fixed wing bird or something like that but our rotary wing can't fly directly over this stuff in a lot of cases or it's difficult to do so for a long period of time so they fly up and down this valley then up and over so as soon as they start seeing us helicopters come up here they'll shoot a radio message down the valley to asado bed and then over into all the way up into the coronal this is where the coronal valley is located sometimes so there's actually a little alp afghan local police headquarters right here and it would they would since they're down in the valley too they'd hear these messages because they're using the same radios the taliban was using so they'll be able to say hey like we can we know you're coming because the taobao just told us so so this is something to keep in mind iban was using so they'll be able to say hey like we can we know you're coming because the taobao just told us so so this is something to keep in mind is that you know we sitting back here or you know over here with our uh fixed-wing assets we couldn't see down into the valley with our sensors a lot of times so we know that uh with our with our radio direction finding sensors at least so we they were able to effectively use the terrain to hide their communication so um you know as dirty as it sounds you can definitely take a playbook a play out of the insurgents playbook by using valleys and other train masking features to mask your signatures another common thing that you can do is reduce your signal and use as little power as possible to send the message so let's hop back over to google earth and i'll illustrate this a little bit more clearly all right so we're back here in google earth and i picked this random patch of desert to illustrate there is no terrain feature that's going to get in the way of this uh of this message so terrain masking is not possible for this guy and say this sender wants to send a message to this guy over here and he knows that there are bad guys all ar ain masking is not possible for this guy and say this sender wants to send a message to this guy over here and he knows that there are bad guys all around they're bad guys all around in the immediate area so what the textbook military thing to do is to use the least amount of power to send a message but say uh he used max power and we get a lot of uh messages about like hey if i buy this balfing you know what's the maximum power and that's you know good to know for you know specs purposes but using maximum power is a no-no it is a it is a no-go because of this so if i were to crank out max power as the sender here guess what all these people all of us hear this message that i really only want this guy to hear so now i can be radio direction find found by this guy this guy and this guy but if i were to dial it back and use just enough power to reach him guess what in this particular example he's the only one that hears the message these other guys don't even hear it don't even detect it they don't even know it went down so that is important because in you know military speak this also helps out with jamming so say for instance i crank out a little bit uh i for whatever reason this g rtant because in you know military speak this also helps out with jamming so say for instance i crank out a little bit uh i for whatever reason this guy moves closer and hears it or some kind of you know tunneling or some kind of weird radio signal thing happens that you know gremlins in the radio and this guy hears it and he he radios to his other guys hey we need to jam right so he's going to start jamming right he's going to start jamming and say this guy starts jamming as well well guess what if i am let's switch back here if i am using my maximum power i can't increase my power any right whereas if i'm using the minimum power what the jamming is going to do is be just more than my signal that's exactly how jamming works if you're cranking out one wad of radio signal and your jammer is cranking out 1.1 watts guess what you're gonna be jammed but if your radio can be tuned up a little bit boom just like that to pump out 1.2 watts while you're jamming is only 1.1 watt guess what your message is going to get through your radios will overcome the jamming so a lot of people look at jamming and they're like oh my god it's like a total blackout of everything no it's not going to be th overcome the jamming so a lot of people look at jamming and they're like oh my god it's like a total blackout of everything no it's not going to be that um true military jamming is the least amount as possible so you always have room to upgrade if they go to you know if you're trying to jam a one watt signal you jam at one 1.1 watts then they upgrade to 1.2 well then you crank it up to 1.3 right until one side either the jammer or the sender the transmitter is you know dialed up to 11 right so that's how these sort of things work out and all i need is just a quick burst of a signal hey i'll boost up to uh you know x amount of watts maybe five or six watts maybe even eight watts or something like that to say hey you know we're being jammed go to this signal go to this procedure right so that's how this sort of concept works so let's jump back into the powerpoint we'll finish up all right and i think it's probably obvious by now to anybody who's sort of been following along to this sort of radio direction finding game is reversion finding is heavily dependent on a static source so guess what if you keep moving they can't find you it makes it extremely difficult to find a moving sourc ng is heavily dependent on a static source so guess what if you keep moving they can't find you it makes it extremely difficult to find a moving source but if you're in the same area and you're moving very very little it's easy for anyone be a legitimate military source on a legitimate um non-tyrannical mission it makes it easier for them to do their job or it makes it harder if you're moving but easier if you're static and likewise the police if the police are trying to do something tyrannical or even if they're doing something that's um you know perhaps should want a little bit more eyes on it it's going to be harder for them to do that if you're moving around right and easier if you're in a static position and we'll talk about that just a second but another thing to do is obviously frequency hopping you change your frequencies it's going to make it a little bit harder now keep in mind that a lot most military systems and i think a lot of police systems that detect vhs and other things like that this doesn't really matter so much because they have memories and they can monitor 30 50 60 100 200 different frequencies all at once so even if you switch it's not going to do any good t cause they have memories and they can monitor 30 50 60 100 200 different frequencies all at once so even if you switch it's not going to do any good they're going to be able to radio direction find you and correlate you anyway but frequency hopping is another one of those military textbook things that everybody's taught who's issued a radio is like hey if this frequency becomes compromise switch to this one and keep switching back and forth to confuse the enemy right so that's another good thing to do another thing that we have we can't really talk about and this is one of those things that was like i can't believe this is unclassified we went to look this up but essentially be aware of your antenna so a lot of people have these ham radio setups or they're stringing up an antenna or something like that and be aware that there are technological systems out there that can detect your antenna wire from a uav or some kind of unmanned aerial system so this technology which obviously we cannot really talk too much about is coherent change detection meaning that an asset can fly over an area and with synthetic aperture radar with radar imagery they can take a snapshot of an area and then etection meaning that an asset can fly over an area and with synthetic aperture radar with radar imagery they can take a snapshot of an area and then they can come back in a couple of weeks take a snapshot of the same area and detect what has moved this uh stuff is highly accurate i cannot say how accurate it is but i can tell you that it can detect things as small as footprints on sand so you can obviously see here in this unclassified imagery the system detecting tire tracks as they move through an area so someone had driven through within the time frame so you know obviously it's not a live thing they can't see it you know live but if you string up an antenna wire and it's there for an x period of time long enough for them to be able to pick it up twice then they'll be able to detect that uh you putting it up and things like that so just be advised that the whole the old um you know prepper trick of you know throwing an antenna wire up in the tree yeah that's a good thing to do to get your message out there and get your you know comms up but an adversarial type system and as we all know this sort of um this type of uas is definitely being used by law enforcement agencies around mms up but an adversarial type system and as we all know this sort of um this type of uas is definitely being used by law enforcement agencies around the us they don't have coherent change detection i can't find any any local law enforcement agencies that have synthetic aperture radar because that's a highly classified military technology but it's only a matter of time right so they already have the wings now they just need the sensor package and as we all know our federal law enforcement agencies have it and as we talked about in our mini-series on surveillance a lot of times we're not going to find out that our police department has this stuff until a court case comes up with it as evidence and then it's too late so they don't disclose this stuff to civilians so we're trying to disclose it to you here this is what we know about it and another good way is uh to avoid detection is obviously code words if you are you know instead of saying you know obviously no real names over the net don't even use call signs right if you're gonna use your call sign change it every single day i think you know we found out from our own um from our own operations that guess what you know call signs e your call sign change it every single day i think you know we found out from our own um from our own operations that guess what you know call signs even you know usernames and things like that can easily be picked up and monitored and you know so that's why we say like look hey you know change your username every couple of weeks or even sooner than that if you change it every day that'd be ideal but you know the idea being that code words and things like that are very helpful so instead of saying you know hey jim i'm going to the barn over there well guess what you just gave an analyst a lot of information from that whereas if you were to say a code word like mockingbird or something or you know sparrow or something you could be able to convey a whole message by just saying one word and also that keeps your message short so there's a lot of technology out there to use data burst mode so for instance aprs can send packets back and forth you can send a lot of messages a lot of information a lot of data in a very short period of time you know granted it may take a couple of minutes to send a an aprs message but that message has contained a lot of information so look into the data bur u know granted it may take a couple of minutes to send a an aprs message but that message has contained a lot of information so look into the data burst modes this is something for more for the you know our people with you know ham radio experience it's not really something for beginners but that that sort of mentality is out there military radios do this a lot of you know survival radios like your c-cell you know c-cell survival radios they they have data burst modes and things like that so that you can record a message and then send it in a very very short period of time so that's very very handy and you know like i said the longer you key down that mic the easier it is for an asset in the air to find you and then another trick that is um that we have sort of coined and i don't know if we can take claim credit for it but we're going to sure try is whaling so this is you know just like a whale uh has to come up for air every so now every you know so often um we are we have been doing all of us here for a while now be doing the same concept with our cell phones so all of our cell phones even our real ones that we use for you know personal communications and things like that that ar oncept with our cell phones so all of our cell phones even our real ones that we use for you know personal communications and things like that that are tied to our real identities we put them in fairy day bags and we leave them there for the majority of the day and only after you know a certain period of time you know once every few hours or a couple hours or something like that we take them out of the faraday bag and they come up for air right they come up and we let them connect to the network they send and receive emails i get you know 50 emails all at once and then they go back into airplane mode or into a faraday bag that i can see through and i can read all that data in a truly truly offline mode so that's something that helps out a lot we encourage everyone to do that because it eliminates or reduces the number of digital breadcrumbs that you leave behind and that's what we're going to end on today is the concept of digital breadcrumbs so you know it's kind of hard to talk about cell phones um and sort of how you know digital technologies work because there's so much at play when it comes to vhf is simple like even though it may not seem simple the stuff i explained earlier echnologies work because there's so much at play when it comes to vhf is simple like even though it may not seem simple the stuff i explained earlier but it really is the simple list of all of this sort of thing that's why we're treating this as sort of a primer to all of this this takes years of training to understand and be able to put into practice but our goal here is to just reduce your digital breadcrumb so like this here if i were to have a dot if i popped up and my cell phone pinged in this particular area to an analyst that provides nothing but if i let it sit there and ping back and forth for several days well now guess what the analyst knows now an analyst knows exactly where and how much time i spend in this general area sure you can't narrow it down to an exact house you might be able to if it's if you take into other things like wi-fi connections and public record searches and things like that but for the most part you can't really narrow cell phone signals down to one particular house especially in an area like this they're just so congested but as time goes on you're going to leave digital breadcrumbs places so for instance you can leave breadcrumbs at you know now y're just so congested but as time goes on you're going to leave digital breadcrumbs places so for instance you can leave breadcrumbs at you know now i if this you know your phone pings here oh boom now i know that you're at 7-eleven i know that you probably walked along this road to get there oh look you went to this um barber shop so i know you probably get your hair cut here i know you probably go to church here right so once i'm able to get a few more breadcrumbs now i can even confirm what i already know which is that you travel along this route so you see me see how that works so you know even though it's very very much impossible to completely hide even if you go completely caveman and have no technology nothing not even a digital watch that takes a battery nothing has a digital signature guess what they're still aerial assets that can still find you you cannot mask your heat signature from your body you cannot you know mask everything there's no way to hide if someone's looking for you and they have the resources to find you however it's all about making it just a little bit harder to find and that's really all our goal is here because as we know a lot of police departments owever it's all about making it just a little bit harder to find and that's really all our goal is here because as we know a lot of police departments are going above and beyond um when it comes to digital surveillance and you know i i i feel like a lot of times that our message gets misconstrued because of what's been going on and you know with the anti-law enforcement sentiments going around in the united states but you know i hope people realize that we're not just jumping on the bandwagon of people ragging on the cops because that's definitely not what we're doing what we're trying to to do is bring awareness to you know electronic aerial surveillance which is being definitely being used like uh right here on this image in the city of baltimore baltimore is very very much well known for it um so persistent 24 7 aerial surveillance over your house in america which is something that i've only seen and all of us here have only seen in foreign countries through which we're at war and where they're in a military capacity so that stuff is uh disconcerting to us and it is very um concerning for things like this notion of liberty so that's what we're coming at this from we're not just is uh disconcerting to us and it is very um concerning for things like this notion of liberty so that's what we're coming at this from we're not just trying to sit back and take the easy way out of you know criticizing somebody or something hopefully this has been helpful um in in sort of demonstrating these surveillance tactics that are being used especially when it comes to radio direction finding and thank you all for watching make sure you go check out our website and all of our other platforms we've got a a pretty horrific instagram page and we also have a teespring account if you want to support us that way monetarily and also go check out our website where we've got a few different uh things we're starting to put more blog posts on there every day and also check out our podcast if you like this content that's on this youtube video go check out our podcast we know you'll like it even though you may not like the 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